Jennifer Lawrence body shames you more than you might have realized.

An alternate version of this post can be found at The Huffington Post. To save my inbox, comments on this version of the post are closed, but feel free to move discussion to the HuffPo version.

Here are some quotes Jennifer Lawrence has made over the years, regarding her weight:

“I’d rather look chubby on screen and like a person in real life.”

“In Hollywood, I’m obese. I’m considered a fat actress. I eat like a caveman. I’ll be the only actress that doesn’t have anorexia rumors! I’m never going to starve myself for a part. I’m invincible. I don’t want little girls to be like, ‘Oh, I want to look like Katniss, so I’m going to skip dinner!’ That was something I was really conscious of during training. I was trying to get my body to look fit and strong, not thin and underfed.”

“If anybody even tries to whisper the word ‘diet,’ I’m like, ‘You can go f– yourself.”

“What are you gonna do? Be hungry every single day to make other people happy? That’s just dumb.”

Tumblr celebrates her in .gif as a paragon of quirk and body acceptance:






One thing that may have escaped your notice, in the orgiastic celebration of JLaw realness that is the internet, is that Jennifer Lawrence looks like this:


Let’s concede the point here that she is, perhaps, a size or two above the Hollywood accepted norm. Let’s also concede the point that it’s admirable, being the star of a movie franchise aimed at teens, that she is concerned about the effect a too-svelte appearance might have on her audience, who are already bombarded with negative body messages every day. I’m not making this post to attack Jennifer Lawrence. I’m making this post to attack the rabid fandom that has grown around her.

I’m not going to cover the fact that it’s fucked up that a girl like Jennifer Lawrence has to justify her perfectly gorgeous body to every single media consumer in the world. We all know that’s fucked up. Let’s focus instead on the fact that in order to appease our own self-doubt about our weight, we, the internet, have decided to ignore how body-shaming the entire image of JLaw, “Spirit Animal” to fat girls everywhere, really is.

First of all, consider her quotes. She would rather look chubby on screen, but like a person in real life. This is a message of positivity only for people who consider themselves chubby, and it comes at the expense of women who are thin. Maybe they’re thin because they’re sick. Maybe, they just like being thin, or they’re naturally slender. What this quote is saying is that these women aren’t people. I want to know, internet: at what percentage of body fat do women earn the right to be people?

I’m certain that a lot of my fellow fatties looked at that quote and rolled their eyes. We know that being fat doesn’t grant one personhood, because our alleged lack of self-control and dignity are directly linked to that body fat percentage. Fat people are not people. They’re fat people. So, what does that quote do? It’s not empowering to anyone but women who look like Jennifer Lawrence. And it’s not a coincidence that she just happens to be the Coke-bottle standard we’re told men should prefer.

So, consider all those .gifs at the top of this post. The ones where she talks about how much food she eats, how she loves McDonald’s fries. Would the internet have embraced those quotes coming from, oh, I don’t know…

melissa mccarthy

I’ve noticed a funny thing about Melissa McCarthy. Well, besides the obvious, that she’s funny. But I’ve noticed that when Jennifer Lawrence talks about her weight, she talks about how much food she eats, and how she’s never going to diet to be thin. And when Melissa McCarthy is quoted about her weight, this is what she says:

“I don’t really know why I’m not thinner than I am.”

“I want to be healthy.”

“I just don’t lose weight easily.”

“Sometimes I wish I were just magically a size 6 and I never had to give it a single thought.”

Because Melissa McCarthy actually is a fat woman, she isn’t allowed to make brash statements about body acceptance. She has to apologize for her body. Every single one of those quotes might as well have just said, “Sorry I’m fat and you have to look at me, everyone.” But it’s all she’s allowed to say, in the confines of our culture. If Melissa McCarthy had said, “If anybody even tries to whisper the word ‘diet,’ I’m like, ‘You can go f– yourself,” the response will most assuredly not be, “How brave! How strong! What a good role model!” The response will be, “What a bad example, encouraging people to be unhealthy! We have an obesity epidemic! Open your eyes, fat is not healthy, sexy, or acceptable! How very dare she!”

Imagine if Melissa McCarthy had made so many public comments about food and McDonald’s. It wouldn’t be cute or funny, it would be schtick. Look at the fat woman, being human and hungry for something bad for her! How grotesquely humorous it is when fat people eat! When Jennifer Lawrence makes these comments, it’s acceptable, because her body is still pleasing to our cultural expectation of voluptuous, slim-waisted, long-necked female beauty.

Comments about how much food Jennifer Lawrence loves to eat further builds the unicorn-like mystique of actresses who maintain cultural expectations of slenderness while claiming that they eat whatever they want and never work out. Is it more damaging to a fat woman’s self-esteem to see a thin woman on a movie screen, or to see that thin woman calling herself fat and claiming her celebrated figure is the product of eating McDonald’s and hating exercise? I’m fat. I eat a lot of McDonald’s. I do exercise, though I sometimes hate it… so, why then, when I admit to these things, am I a public health crisis, and slender, beautiful women who say them are positive role models? I’m pretty sure you know where this is going.

When Jennifer Lawrence says it’s “dumb” to go hungry to make other people happy, she’s saying it with the carefree attitude of a woman who probably will never have to make that choice to conform. Yes, she might be asked to diet for a role. But a woman who looks like Jennifer Lawrence doesn’t have to shop for her clothes in online stores only, because no physical storefronts carry her size. A woman who looks like Jennifer Lawrence probably isn’t going to have a stranger try to stage an impromptu intervention in a Pizza Hut because they’re so, so concerned for her “health.” If a woman who looks like Jennifer Lawrence goes to her doctor to complain of an ailment, she’ll be offered diagnostic tests instead of a diet plan. Jennifer Lawrence can say it’s “dumb” to go on a diet, but Jennifer Lawrence might not be facing weight-related prejudice or illness. Jennifer Lawrence may never be forced to make the choice between going hungry to lose weight versus having a knee and hip replacement at thirty-five.

I’m sure Jennifer Lawrence has body issues. She is a woman in the U.S., after all. Body issues come pre-installed at birth. But simply feeling bad about your own weight doesn’t give you license to shame the bodies of women who are thinner than you are, or the choices of women who are fatter than you are.

What’s even more troubling is that this mythos of the body-image warrior that the internet has created for Jennifer Lawrence has allowed her to say some pretty shitty things without much consequence. As long as she’s the down-to-earth, quirky, “body positive” weirdo, we can let bisexuality erasing and transphobic comments slide?

The reason Jennifer Lawrence is allowed to be a body-positive role model to young girls and “chubby” women is because she is representative of conventional beauty. She is a thin woman, exhibiting the thin privilege (and I know how much people hate that phrase) of making self-conscious body remarks while the rest of the world rushes to assure her that she’s gorgeous. Jennifer Lawrence’s public image has been built on a foundation of fat girl drag. She can call herself fat in interviews. She can actually believe she is fat, if she wants to. But she is not a fat woman, and her experiences do not speak to the experiences of actual fat people, no matter how strenuously Tumblr works to make it seem so.

351 Comments on “Jennifer Lawrence body shames you more than you might have realized.”

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  3. Jenny Trout says:

    I think I would be totally comfortable with advocating not judging people’s degrees of fatness if we lived in a world in which my lack of judgement toward thin women was reflected back upon me by others not judging my fatness. But the cult of “let’s celebrate our bodies at any weight!” seems to focus only on women with conventionally attractive, or slightly north on on the scale of conventional attractiveness, bodies. But as a fat person, it really grinds my gears to hear conventionally attractive women speaking out about body acceptance and being heard and celebrated, when fat women who do it face derision and lectures about healthy living.

  4. anderlie says:

    I agree that some of the statements that she got picked up on seemed unnecessarily harsh. Like that one about her childhood and her family drinking and whatnot, what the hell was wrong with that? Surely she’s still allowed to talk about things that were positive in her life even if they may ring less than positive for others. I guess because my childhood was similar I don’t understand the issues there, it was fun and I didn’t turn out terribly.

  5. faithbygrace says:

    First, I LOVED seeing this a current fat woman and a former skinny girl. Yes, the societal-approved prejudice against fat people angers me daily. We ALL have issues, but the biggest problem with being fat is that MY issue is right out there for everyone to see and judge. (You can’t see faults like overspending, beating kids, alcoholism, etc. just by looking at someone.)

    Second, though, I do agree with Alexandra. My niece grew up in LA. As a gorgeous, tall, thin teenager, she felt constant pressure to be skinny. She wasted away to sickeningly thin, and still struggles with body issues today even as a healthier (but still very skinny) size 2/4. I can appreciate JLaw’s use of “real person” to describe her weight after seeing the real life skeletons that our celebrities are. (The camera often hides what they look like in real life.) JLaw has a round face that looks much heavier than her body weight. She IS fat by Hollywood standards just from her face alone.

    So, I guess I’m saying that yes, we do need more and better examples of accepting one’s body type…but maybe having a “thinly fat” JLaw pave the way will help.

  6. Jenny Trout says:

    I think the main problem here might be the way I communicated all this, and I’m going to have to do a follow up post to this effect, but the issue you are talking about, the same issue Lawrence is talking about, is a separate issue to what I’m saying. I’m saying that we only accept body positivity from a certain body type, while refusing to allow to those most affected by body negative stereotypes– the very fat and the very thin– to have a voice. As society, we’re very concerned when women who aren’t fat are called fat, but we’re not all that concerned when fat women are called upon to apologize for their fatness.

    Like I said, that’s for a follow-up post.

  7. Laina says:

    You have absolutely no idea that Melissa McCarthy’s weight is “unhealthy”.

    Besides the fact that health is a social construct that many people will not acheive (I have hormone disorders that will mean I will never in my life be “healthy”, let alone mental stuff), YOU ARE NOT Melissa McCarthy and you do NOT know that she’s unhealthy.

  8. Exactly. I think a lot if times instead of appreciating that she is more gender and body and social norm aware than most people (famous or not) those of us who consider ourselves to be accepting of different ways of existing rip her down for not being perfect…. Which is actually pretty hypocritical.

    The Chaz Bono comment sucks though. No defending that.

  9. Jenny Trout says:

    Yeah, I think the childhood one was a bit harsh to wing her on. It’s her experience to own and present the way she wants to.

  10. Jenny Trout says:

    And then you get into that whole “strong, not skinny” thing, which people are JUST starting to realize is problematic and treats skinny women like crap. :(

  11. Being a woman in America: no matter what your body is like, you just can’t win!

  12. Anon says:

    Not to mention, most of the motivational gym posters that say variations of ‘strong, not skinny’ feature super skinny women!

  13. manybellsdown says:

    I was a super-ooper skinny chick for most of my life; I didn’t top 110 lbs until I was 6 months pregnant. What did I get? “Broomstick” “figure like an 8-year-old boy” “pirate’s dream” (sunken chest har har har)

    Nope, even when you meet the “standard” there’s something wrong with you.

  14. Jenny Trout says:

    Yeah, and all of that is exactly what the internet fandom and a lot of people pushing body acceptance are forgetting. That’s what I find so frustrating about this whole thing. The moment you even try to point these things out, you get, “But look at it from her point of view…” No, I can’t do that. I have to look at it from the point of view of a woman who is fat, in every aspect of her life, not just her job. And from this perspective, making her a mascot for body positivity is insulting.

  15. Jenny Trout says:

    With respect, if “thinly fat” celebs were going to pave the way, this would have all been wrapped up with mid-90’s Drew Barrymore, Kate Winslet, Jeanine Garrafalo, or Margret Cho. But all those “thinly fat” celebs slimmed down, and nothing changed.

  16. Lindsay says:

    Don’t forget the difference between Jessica Alba in season 1 of Dark Angel and season 2, I wanted to cry when I saw how much weight she lost because she was so so beautiful in season 1.

  17. I’m honestly really conflicted about the fat is unhealthy thing. My husband is a doctor who washed out of primary care and headed for a lower patient contact specialty. One of the reasons he did this was because it wore him down so much to see people kill themselves with food so regularly. In almost all cases most people who are obese would be healthier if they could snap their fingers and be a BMI that fell within the normal range. I truly believe that to be a solid scientific fact. I also know that you can’t snap your fingers and change your weight, and of course all thin people are not healthier than all overweight people.

    To complicate things I also know ‘fat is less healthy than thin’ is used as a weapon and I have a deep desire to strip that weapon of its power. That desire conflicts with what I believe to be medical facts about weight.

    In short, I agree with you… And I don’t agree with you… And I’m a work in progress on this issue, lol.

  18. Laina says:

    Hey, Alexandra, you wanna post where your husband works so I never have to see them? Because if your husband is a doctor who doesn’t understand how science work, and that BMI was invented to measure POPULATIONS, not individuals and it has no measure on how healthy a person is, that’s TERRIFYING. Now how about go reading this blog and see what happens when doctors treat fat, not the person.

    Also I could sit here and tell you about how I’m in the deathfat category and more often eat too little than too much and how ELMM and CICO are both complete bull, but I don’t actually have to defend my right to eat and exist to people on the internet so I’m not going to.

  19. The-Great-Dragon says:

    @Alexandra, I’m always really conflicted about this issue too. I never think it’s okay to shame people, but I think it’s also super important to promote healthy habits. Not because “you don’t want to get fat” but because you just don’t want to have heart disease, diabetes, or the myriad health disorders unhealthy habits foster. (in anyone with unhealthy habits – thin, overweight, medium, morbidly obese, anorexic, etc.)
    And in my opinion, having a high body fat percentage isn’t healthy, so I’m like, how can we be body positive and also promote personal health? Because they shouldn’t be mutually exclusive, but it always seems like they are.

  20. Laina says:

    @The-Great-Dragon: Nobody is obligated to be healthy. If I want heart disease and diabetes, that’s my business and I can be as unhealthy as I want to be. Nobody has to be healthy to have worth as a human being or to be body positive. There’s a thing in FA circles called a “good fatty” which is basically when you defend being fat by saying “I eat well! I excercise!” And while that’s perfectly valid and fine, it’s not the only reason it’s okay to be fat. It’s okay if you never excercise and you exist solely on carbs. Because it’s your business, and nobody else’s.

    Also, your opinion on high body fat? Not a fact. It’s your opinion. Look up Holley Mangold and Sarah Robles to start with and tell me how unhealthy they are.

  21. Laina says:

    Also if you’re that concerned about health that high percentage of body fat scares you, want to talk about how regular I am? How my period is? How about the results of my latest pap smear? Since health is so concerning.

  22. The-Great-Dragon says:

    @Laina, I’m not sure why you feel the need to argue that my opinion is an opinion, when I clearly called it one. (Although, my question is – would I need to be getting scientific studies and objective research evidence if I was claiming that being underweight or having too little body fat was unhealthy?)

    Furthermore, yeah, no one is obligated to be healthy, but holy geez, is unhealthiness really something we should promote? If you want heart disease, fine, and I don’t think you deserve less respect as a human being for it, as far as your right to just exist and participate in society is concerned, but if you want heart disease, and you’re actively doing things to get it, then yeah, your health care provider is probably going to focus on that. And yeah, I’m gonna be honest, heart disease isn’t the gold standard I’d want to promote.

    Saying “yeah kids, it’s totes alright if you want heart disease” doesn’t scream body positivity to me. Anymore than saying “STDs? So what? Go on kids, have as much unsafe sex as you want, who cares” screams sex positivity. There’s a difference in saying that “everyone has value as a human being, regardless of their body shape or weight, but we’d still like people to grow up happy and healthy” and saying that “It doesn’t matter if people are at unhealthy weights. You never need to exercise, and who cares what you eat, and it’s fine to want heart disease, who gives a crap? Besides, the science is all wrong anyway, and until you prove otherwise, obesity is no longer an epidemic and there’s no reason to look into the foods people are eating or why they’re unhealthy, or why food is specifically being designed in cheap, unhealthy ways that are causing a myriad of weight and health issues across the globe. Everything’s fine, let’s just ignore it.”

  23. The-Great-Dragon says:

    @Laina, I said I was concerned about health, I didn’t say I was concerned about you. So your pap smears and menstrual cycles? Don’t matter to me at all.

    But you know what, let’s talk about PCOS, and how high body fat in women increases the risk of ovarian cysts, which can also, just fyi, increase the risk of cancer. Let’s talk about how PCOS can also lead to infertility, meaning someone who wants to have children might miss out because, hey, let’s just ignore every study up until now that doesn’t meet Laina’s satisfaction. Let’s talk about asthma, and arthritis, and sleep apnea.

    I’m not saying anyone should fit into any type of mold here or that people who deviate from the norm should be treated like crap. I’m not saying being overweight (which I am) or obese is a horrible thing and everyone who is either of those things should be stoned. I’m saying we should be able to promote body positivity and still talk about the above issues without someone swooping in going “That’s just your opinion, that’s not fact.”

    I’m all for changing the dialogue on health, because as it exists, it’s all “DON’T GET FAT” and fails to actually explore the issue in any sort of in-depth, non-body shaming, effective way. What I’m not for is scrapping any dialogue on health altogether because it’s more convenient for people not to confront the health risks of their body type.

  24. Laina says:

    @The-Great-Dragon Because when people ask about health? The ONLY thing they ask about is weight.

    Also, I HAVE PCOS, thank you. I had it when I was 13 and probably 100 pounds smaller and I have it now. It is not caused by my weight and in fact probably contributes to my weight. So, hey, tell me more about how it’s my fault I might be infertile because it’s my fault!

  25. Laina says:

    @The-Great-Dragon I could also show you where the people who originally did the study linking obesity and sleep apnea faked the results. And admitted it. But obviously the studies I link to don’t count.

  26. The-Great-Dragon says:

    @Laina, I didn’t say the studies you linked to didn’t matter. I implied that you were biased against tests that didn’t lean in your favour.

    I’ll admit that I didn’t know about the falsified sleep apnea test results. That’s important information to know, thank you for the link.

    As far as your PCOS – I don’t care. Just because your weight didn’t put you at risk for PCOS doesn’t make it not true for other people, and honestly, I wouldn’t care if your PCOS did happen because of your weight. Do with your body what you like, it’s not my business and I don’t care. I care about the message we send as a society and the people (mainly children) who receive that message and how that puts them at risk. I don’t care about you, this isn’t about you, my message of health isn’t directed at you, and all of that is why I’m done talking to you.

  27. Laina says:

    @The-Great-Dragon PCOS is not caused by weight. Period. But keep spreading false information, that’s nice.

  28. Nicole says:

    Apparently, Alexandra, since I’m unhealthy because I have a chronic illness, I’m not a worthy human being. I can never be the healthy ideal that you seem to think everyone should strive for and be, because it’s just that easy! And I guess I can never promote being happy and accepting of my life as it is because I’m unhealthy, and I’d be promoting unhealthiness.

  29. @Lania, I’m still not trying to be rude, and hope you can see this as an honest question I am asking because I do want to understand where you’re coming from: You mention Holley Mangold as one of your examples of someone who would be characterized by most as being at an unhealthy weight, but I assume you feel that the fact that she’s an Olympic athlete refutes that idea. However, I just have to know how you feel about her being part of this seasons cast of The Biggest Loser? She’s been very vocal about feeling that her weight has hurt her as an athlete in clips I’ve seen from the show. How do you reconcile her own personal assessment of her weight as unhealthy that with seeing her as a healthy role model?

  30. @Nicole, pulling that from me saying “However, I firmly believe whether that’s true or not doesn’t much matter. I cast no judgment against someone for not being in peak health” is one of the greatest magic tricks I’ve ever seen! Again? Again?

  31. @Nicole if you decide you want to have an honest chat with me I will happily oblige, but I feel no responsibility to act as a post for you to place your self perpetuating ideas of persecution on so that you can attack them. Forgive me if I’m a bit cranky. I spent the day before yesterday in the hospital dealing with complication of my autoimmune disorder.

    Honestly, Jens blog is generally such a great place for conversation and open dialogue that is respectful and involves two listening parties. But, I’m done listening and baring my beliefs if everyone is just going to drag things wildly out of context then go on the attack. I don’t know what is up with this post. So much shouting and no dialogue.

  32. Nicole says:

    I actually apologize, Alexandra. I meant my reply to be to The-Great-Dragon, but got the names mixed up. And I realize that my reply seems dramatic. I’m just trying to point out that when we make the fat issue about health and how we should all strive to be healthy that we’re delving into ableism and an entirely different form of discrimination. If you shame people for being unhealthy, where does the line end?

  33. The-Great-Dragon says:

    @Nicole, I originally typed out a long reply, but I’m honestly really done with this. And frankly it doesn’t matter, since you’ll only find a way to be conveniently offended by what I didn’t say and I’m 100% finished with hearing about other people’s issues.

    None of this has anything to do with JLaw and Jenny’s blog post anyway, and none of us are accomplishing anything other than filling up the comments thread with needless wank.

  34. Laina says:

    @alexandraaimee If you think that the Biggest Loser is a health show, I suggest you do some googling.That’s a show about ABUSE, not health. So I’ll start there.

  35. alexandra says:

    @Laina, I have been given exactly what I deserve. I don’t know why I thought I could ask you an honest question and get an honest answer when all you’ve done in this entire thread is make straw men out of everything anyone says then burn them down with self satisfaction. If you’re not familiar with the straw man principal of argumentation I highly suggest you look it up. It will be very helpful for you in future discussions where you hope to sway minds or build consensuses.

    Where exactly did I say or imply that I thought BL was a “healthy” show? I didn’t. My real question was hard to answer, so rather than doing try you decided to “answer” something I didn’t ask. You answered the question, “Is BL a healthy show?”, or replied to the statement “I think BL is a healthy show.” I didn’t ask that question or make that statement, so you are basically talking to yourself.

    What I did ask you was: How do you feel about the fact that one of your healthy high-weight role models has actually come out very publicly and said things like: “My message has always been, ‘You have to love yourself.’ I loved who I was, who I am; I love everything about it. But I decided I needed to make a change for me, for weightlifting and ultimately for my health.” (Source:

    How do you square her own self assessment of her weight as not being the best “for her health” (her words, not mine) with you saying she is the proof that weight and health aren’t linked?

    I want to know how you feel about this. I’m genuinely curious as to whether you know something I don’t, or have a view point I can’t see on the issue, but I’m afraid I will likely never get to learn how you feel, because all you are interested in doing is “winning”, and, ironically, no one wins like that.

  36. alexandra says:

    @Nicle, I appreciate the apology. The way the comments work on this platform is not straight forward.

  37. Laina says:

    @alexandra It’s been five days. Maybe the fact that I typed 3 sentences is a hint I’m tired of talking to you????

  38. Blush Rose says:

    @Alexandra, yeah, I have also noticed that the people who visit this blog love to spread their snark. If you don’t agree with them, they attack. It’s probably best not to read the comments here, since I don’t much care for the members of Troutnation.

    and @Laina, you really are a piece of work. You are done talking to Alexandra, so you came back after one day (not 3) to tell her that? Maybe this comment, “So I’ll start there.” made her think you weren’t done? And obviously you aren’t, since you feel the need to have the last work? OMG, grow the eff up! And don’t bother to post a response to me, since unlike the rest of the people in this thread, I won’t be back to read any childish response.

    If you people like to be fat, go ahead and stuff your faces, get your heart disease and diabetes and die. None of the rest of us care. If you die, then we don’t have to look at you anymore! UGH!

  39. The-Great-Dragon says:

    @BlushRose, I was originally done commenting on this thread, but I just wanted to say that I feel your response is incredibly inflammatory, rude, and dismissive. I don’t have a problem with people being overweight and I don’t have a problem with people having health issues and I don’t have a problem with people stuffing their faces (and not all of these things are inherently linked.) Like I said, there’s a huge difference between body shaming and promoting health, and telling people who are obese and overweight that they should go and die so you don’t have to look at them? That’s not just body shaming, but it’s awful and inhumane.

    This response is extremely inappropriate (seriously, think about all the people here you’re telling to go die.) And just sad frankly, considering how hostile this thread already got. I may not agree with Laina, but she and everyone else doesn’t deserve this kind of hatred.

  40. alexandra says:

    @BlushRose, I do not appreciate your entry into this conversation either. Anyone reading this chain can clearly see that Laina has attacked my husband’s professional qualifications based on MY use of the term BMI (because, you know, when I married him the depths of his medical knowledge earned over a decade of study magically appeared in my head too!), attacked me, then childishly refused to talk to me more when I asked a tough, honest question. It’s clear as day, and if she thinks she’s somehow shown herself in a good light I would imagine she’s standing alone with that thought.

    All your entry does is make her anger and irrationality about the subject look completely justified. You’ve essentially stolen the high road from my side of this discussion. I don’t appreciate that. I had to take a lot of deep breaths and do a lot of white knuckling to keep it. Your comments are hateful and mark the lowest strikes that have been given thus far into this argument. They don’t help my side of things at all, all they do is hurt people.

  41. Anonymous says:



    If you don’t like the commenters here, and you surely must not like me, because I’m a fat person who continues to live in defiance of your aesthetic preferences, then why the hell are you here? The only time you leave a comment is to make some homophobic remark about how disgusting gay sex is, and then whine about how fucking persecuted you are by the other commenters, who are just sick of reading your “ew, gay people!” crap all the time. Then you bust in here and tell them to get diabetes and DIE? You come to my blog and tell ME to get diabetes and die? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?

    You weren’t even involved in the conversation. You actually made the person you were defending angry with you. This was a fucking nasty argument, and you came in here and managed to unite both sides because they were so pissed at you. Do you have any concept of how hilarious a failure that is? Do you really not understand that when people disagree with you here, it’s not because they’re a hive mind, but because you are routinely saying things that are so genuinely offensive, Anne Coulter would think they were in poor taste?

    I cannot believe people like you are allowed to walk around and speak the way you do, yet Charles Manson is behind bars. That is where I am at now. I have tried, long and hard, to not moderate comments here, but I’m gonna moderate yours, if you ever leave one again. Any comment or response you make from here out will be deleted. Your insights are no longer needed. On anything. Literally anything. On my fatness, on the fatness of others, on gay sex and whether or not people should have it or read about it, nothing. I could write an entire post specifically on coming up with pen names that involve two synonyms for red, and I still wouldn’t give two fucks about your thoughts on the matter.

    Ban hammer. You’re done.

  42. Jenny Trout says:

    DAMNIT. I wasn’t signed in. But that was me, if there was any doubt. It was me that said the Manson thing. Everybody can go home now.

  43. Thanks Jen, the independent thought was getting exhausting :p Nothing to disagree with here. The idea that anyone should apologize to anyone for their weight is disgusting…. Especially that they should apologize to strangers watching them on screen. It literally makes me cringe.

  44. I’m not going to argue with you about whether obesity is healthy or not. See my above post for my perspective on that. Further, I didn’t say Melissa McCarthy was “unhealthy”, I said she is an unhealthy weight. However, I firmly believe whether that’s true or not doesn’t much matter. I cast no judgment against someone for not being in peak health. The issue isn’t with the fact that being obese is almost always less healthy than not being obese, it’s with people judging the health of others and using it as weapon against them. That’s what’s fucked up. The idea that, all other things being equal, it’s healthier for an individual not to be obese, though, I don’t consider particularly controversial.

  45. I see this hit a real nerve for you, and I’m sorry about that. However, I would like to point out that you are the one making personal attacks here against both me and my husband who you know nothing about. So, I’m going to exit this particular conversion. Again, I am sorry my perspective is upsetting to you. I really am.

  46. Laina says:

    You have no idea if her weight in unhealthy. Period. No matter how you say it, you do not know that. As for “the fact that being obese is almost always less healthy than not being obese”, citation, please. Preferably a non-biased study NOT paid for by a diet company. It is controversial because IT’S NOT TRUE.

    I wasn’t attacking you, I was being completely serious. I never want my medical health in the hands of somebody who believes things that are scientifically untrue and bases their care on that.

  47. Alexandra Aimee says:

    Oh! And just because it was requested, here is a peer reviewed scientific study to support some of those elevated risks of mortality I am talking about. I can’t say it’s a perfect study. I didn’t do it myself. I don’t know the person who did. But, I do think it deserves consideration as a rational basis for my perspective.

  48. Laina says:

    “My only point here was that it is a simple fact that for almost all people carrying a particularly high amount of body fat puts you at an increased risk for certain typed of diabetes, heart disease, lung issues, and joint problems.”

    Citation, please. That is not a fact that has been proven. Correlation is not causation.

    Also, my name is not Cherry and if you were using the french endearment, it’s Chere or cheri.

  49. Alexandra Aimee says:

    You’re right Laina, your name isn’t Cherry. I was responding to Cherry, not you. Sorry for the confusion!

  50. Laina says:

    It showed up in my email as a reply to me. I didn’t see Cherry’s reply. Apologies.

  51. JD says:

    I’ll throw in my 2 cents into this melee and agree that BMI is flawed and it can’t be used as a diagnostic tool. One problem is that it does not account for different body types. For example, I have a very heavy skeleton compared with a lot of women–literally “big boned” and not as a euphemism. My hands and feet are huge compared with other people my size, my jaw is big and square, my bones are big and dense. So my BMI (and weight) are much higher than other women my height who may have technically the same body fat, or higher body fat since bone and muscle are denser than fat. So… bottom line, BMI can’t be used as a diagnostic tool, and I think most doctors recognize that.

    It does get used as a screening tool, which if it’s being used on your kids with similar body types to mine it can be really annoying because you get calls from the school inviting you to nutrition sessions, and you feel sort of neglectful not going but your kid really doesn’t have any health issues based on BMI.

    I mean… what? Er, I digress. Anyway, bottom line, I would never make any health decisions based on BMI. I would (try to) make health decisions if I was diagnosed with high blood pressure or other health issues and my weight/body fat could be a factor. But that’s a whole other ball game. There’s an entire industry devoted to keeping Americans eating and drinking as many calories as possible in the name of the almighty dollar. It’s wicked hard to fight, those people have spent millions studying how to influence our buying and eating habits. Online games do the same, and they do it really well, which is why people can’t stop playing. I don’t know about you guys, but as much as I respect my own willpower I’m not sure I have the hubris to bet on it against the multimillion (or multibillion!) dollar food industry.

  52. Cherry says:

    You should probably know that the current medical measure of “obese” is a pretty flawed one. It’s based primarily on BMI, a measurement that was created in the 1930s based on a sample of only white men. It has been shown multiple times to be inaccurate for many women, non-white people, and people with certain body shapes.
    Now some doctors have started using a BMI plus waist circumference measurement that is slightly more accurate, but still very flawed. The point here is that “obese” is a term that has a lot of problems, which means that the statement that “obese” people are less healthy also has those problems.

  53. Alexandra Aimee says:

    I figured, no worries :)

  54. Bethany says:

    Oh, come on. We all know you’re just recapping the books because you lurv them.

  55. Laina says:

    …because science has said that’s now how bodies work and 95% of weight loss efforts, which usually mean reducing calories to create a deficit, fail?

  56. Emma says:

    Weight loss is such a complicated thing, because nobody loses weight in the same way, at the same rate, or at the same level of difficulty. Some people lose weight really easily, and some people can just barely lose any, even when they’re really trying. Unfortunately, with our media portrayals of weight and the weight loss industry, we’ve been convinced that weight loss is simple—when really, it’s so complex on so many levels, and there are actually a LOT of varied opinions from medical professionals on how weight loss works. There’s still a lot that we don’t know about it, a lot that we don’t know about metabolism and fat. It’s sad, because people who have a lot of difficulty losing weight get shamed and told they’re not trying hard enough (even when they might be).

  57. Insanitydividedbyzero says:

    As someone who is now “fat” because of a horrible car wreck where I was bedridden for 8 months I now can see it from both sides. I used to be so active that I could shovel in almost 3000 calories a day. I had muscle definition but when I saw the tabloids, girls who looked like me were considered chubby or too masculine. What frustrates me is exactly what you are saying, she doesn’t represent a fat or chubby person. In normal circles she’d be considered incredibly skinny. There is nothing wrong with being skinny or being fat as long as you do the best you can to take care of yourself. I saw my mother struggle with obesity even though she ate an organic vegetarian diet (it turns out her thyroid wasn’t working at all and when they put her on meds to fix it she lost 60 pounds in a month but the meds reacted badly to something else she needed to take for a severe physical issue).

    I recall watching one episode of fashion police where they made a comment about Lindsay Lohan’s thighs touching each other and that she needed to drop some weight when she is perfectly normal. Lindsay has narrow hips and not everyone can have a thigh gap that Hollywood is obsessed with. I have wider hips so even when I started putting on weight it took me 30 pounds before my thighs touched. Hollywood has some really fucked up ideas on beauty and it sucks that someone who looks normal has to be the champion of fat acceptance and because of this it is making it worse for actual fat acceptance.

  58. Christina A says:

    The idea that you can’t be a promoter or “mascot” for body positivity if you’re not fat or if you’re, as you’ve put it, “conventionally attractive” is NONSENSE. Anyone can be a promoter of body positivity…that’s the point! It’s not “fat body positivity” or “thin body positivity” – there are no descriptors in front of it, it’s body positivity for all bodies and persons. Having a positive body image and the merit of promoting that healthy mindset doesn’t get diminished by the appearance of the person promoting it. A fat person promoting body positivity is no better or worse, or more reliable or more worthy of promoting positive body image. It’s ridiculous to assert that someone who you (rather derisively) call “conventionally attractive” can’t speak out against negative body image etc. The whole point of body positivity is to love your body and your image regardless of what you look like or what society says you should be.

  59. Maria says:

    @Tina Oh Tina, you can not imagine how amused I was to see you take my comment completely out of context in order to argue against it’s premise. What an excellent example of a straw man. Why don’t you go back and read exactly what I had a problem with. I quoted exactly which of Lindsay’s words I take umbrage with. And when you do, please explain to me what part of the assumption Lindsay made, that cultures which don’t allow others to partake are xenophobic or her follow-up, isolationist, indicated a willingness to learn and experience about other’s cultures in a “respectful” way.

    You’ll also have to explain what your example about India and Britain had to do with the quote you didn’t understand. Are you saying that India engaged in defensive maneuvers in order to keep Britain out of its culture, and that Britain wasn’t larger or stronger as a culture? What part of your example fit anything about my quote? I never mentioned respect, primarily because when the power differential is large, intent is irrelevant. What are trying to say here is confusing?

    However, you’re actually wrong in certain respects. Yes, Britain heavily destroyed or tried to destroy parts of India’s culture. But there were definitely parts of India’s culture Britain wanted to protect, for instance it’s habit of drinking tea. What do you think the East India Co. was for? I’m sure Britain had a lot of respect for India’s high quality tea. Now tea is entrenched in English culture, as if it is inherently British, in the west, with no hint as to it’s actual origins. So thank you for giving an example of erasure.

    You’ll also have to clarify where you got the idea that everything on that site was on the same stratosphere. The site is a listing of problematic things; where does it say all things are equally problematic? However, considering that black children can get suspended from schools for “fad” hairstyles, such as corn-rows and black men and women are not allowed to wear “unprofessional” hairstyles, such as corn-rows, and celebrities who aren’t part of these cultures wearing these hairstyle to sell an image of coolness or edginess actually contribute to the view that these hairstyle are in fact “faddish” or “unprofessional,” you’ll have to excuse me if I find it harmful regardless.

  60. There are also genetic mutations that affect metabolism and appetite, and therefore weight. It’s not impossible that there are plenty of undiagnosed adults with such mutations, because the discovery of these genes and their functions is still relatively new. I work for a geneticist who specialises in these genes and we see hundreds of kids who are overweight because of it, but are physically quite healthy nonetheless. (Not saying that’s definitely the case with McCarthy, but I think it’s worth keeping in mind that there’s still a hell of a lot we don’t understand about how the body regulates appetite, metabolism, and fat storage).

  61. Anna says:

    I really, really, really appreciate this comment, Ann. Reading the comments on this post…ugh. I just feel like you hit the nail on the head with what was going on and being said and what /isn’t/ going on and being said.

    Can more people be like Ann, please?

    Also, I’m 100% with you on the lycra thing.

  62. J says:

    “Can I suggest cyclists? Can’t we all agree that Lycra is an obscenity and no one needs to see a strange man’s “lunch box” over their morning coffee?”


  63. Elisa C says:

    Hey, I’m still lurking around here, and thank you for this comment. I think it can be hard to figure out what discussion it’s productive to have when everybody comes from such different backgrounds and situations, but seriously– thanks for your perspective. This sounds like a conversation I’d like to have/listen to.

    And also yes, down with Lycra. Maybe just for superheroes.

  64. sometimeswan says:

    Absolutely. To all of the above!

  65. Sophie says:

    Ann you win everything. Thank you, thank you, for saying this.

  66. Anonymous says:

    What you failed to understand is that not everyone is fat because they don’t exercise which she clearly stated. It was also never said that there were any tricks to being skinny and eating what you want, just that there are people who can’t live that way. Also, who are you to say that Melissa McCarthy does not exercise? Perhaps she does and is one of those who do not lose a lot of weight when they do. I have been overweight most of my life and it took me months upon months of vigorous exercise and strenuous diets which only shed a couple pounds here and there and yet I’m still not a thin woman. It is very stressful and demotivating to think that I will always have to do that just to be thin while others just flaunt they’re poor habits and perfect bodies. Maybe you’re the one who should not be so quick to judge.

  67. Anonymous says:

    weight is also related to genetics by the way, it isnt always soley about eating the right foods and excersize.

  68. Anonymous says:

    I read the article and all I see is reaching to find a fault which everything she said.

  69. Jenny Trout says:

    I think it’s hilarious that every time I’m like, “I’m talking about the fandom,” fans rush in and reflect that back onto the object their adoration. “You’re saying mean things about JLaw!” “No, I’m saying honest things about her fans.” “HOW DARE YOU SAY MEAN THINGS ABOUT JLAW!” “But I’m not, I’m saying that you, the fans, are the problem. You. Literally, I am saying that YOU are the problem.” “STOP SAYING JLAW IS THE PROBLEM!”

  70. Jenny Trout says:

    First off, big girl secret handshake. :D

    I don’t need her to validate me, either. I’m a fan of self validation. But think about what you just wrote: “The young girls she is speaking to are not analyzing every little thing she says.” If they’re not thinking about what she’s saying, they’re still internalizing what she’s saying. So when she says she’d rather “look like a person” with more meat on her bones, they’re internalizing the unspoken– that you only look like a person if you’re a certain size. If she’s saying, “It should be illegal to call someone fat,” they’re still internalizing the unspoken message that being called fat is the worst thing possible, because being fat is the worst thing possible.

    It might be momentarily empowering for her to say these things, but her remarks are still reinforcing negative body images, rather than subverting them. She’s doing far better than most people in Hollywood, but it’s a pretty low bar in terms of promoting acceptance at any size.

  71. Jenny Trout says:

    It’s never about health. It is never, ever, ever, about health. If it were about health, the Atkins diet would have never been so popular.

  72. anonymous says:

    I can’t help feeling like we’re misinterpreting her, “I’d rather look chubby on screen and like a person in real life” quote. You’re saying that what we should be gleaming from the statement is “you only look like a person if you’re a certain size”, when “JLaw” (first and probably last time I will use that abbreviation), I think, is talking about the two sets of standards apparent in our culture. Hollywood, no surprise, seems to abide by a ridiculous, and seemingly “unreal” standard of appearance. The statement is a criticism of Hollywood, not on herself or skinny, fat, chubby, or any self-validating woman that might associate herself with a particular “group”.

    “It should be illegal to call someone fat.” It should also be illegal to call someone “retarded”, “fag”, “queer” or fill-in-your-disrespectful-and-hate-filled-word-here. It has nothing to do with what the word means literally, but the non-acceptance that it implies. Since we’re all about ubiquitous acceptance.

  73. Jenny Trout says:

    No, I totally get that she’s critiquing Hollywood, but her statement absolutely can be interpreted as meaning thin people don’t look “like a person.” There are thin women commenting on this post who felt that was out of line, regardless of her intent, and I think by dismissing her statement as, “well, she didn’t mean to insult them,” it’s pushing their concerns aside to make way for the status quo again.

    As for your other point, as a fat person, I don’t mind the word “fat,” even most of the time when it’s coming at me in a derogatory way. Because I can look at that and say, “That’s it? That’s all you’ve got? The worst thing about me is that I’m fat?” But I understand and respect the fact that not everyone does feel that way. However, I think when “Don’t call people fat” is coming from someone who isn’t fat, it can begin to feel a little bit like, “Don’t call me fat *because I’m not fat* and I don’t want people think of me as fat,” when the point is really that in a world where fat people were treated like they had some amount of humanity, it wouldn’t be an insult in the first place. Again, probably not the intent behind the statement, but it’s still worth examining critically when it’s being embraced by the public.

  74. Sophie says:

    you say “I’ve never been fat”, so I would suggest that that is why you don’t think it’s true. and that is, I’m afraid, your thin privilege. I am fat, and I do think it’s true, as it’s reinforced for me every day of my life that I am less than a person, that I don’t count, that I can’t expect the same things as other people and don;t deserve to, because I’m so ugly. Every interpersonal interaction I have reinforces this truth for me. every man that goes ‘I could never dream of getting to know you as a person because your body is too repulsive’. every clothes shop that says ‘ we only wish to cater for less than half the population, capitalism and business sense be damned.’ every person on the bus that sighs if you sit next to them, no matter how much effort you make to fold yourself up and not impinge on their space. etc. Everyone thinks they need to tell me, too, as if they think the world hasn’t already told me time and time and time again.

  75. Jenny Trout says:

    I agree with you, except for the thing about comparing Miley to Beyonce. I’ve noticed that, at least in mainstream (read: white) feminist circles, Miley is forgiven for all manner of sins specifically because of her overt sexuality and promotion of rape culture, but Beyonce has written songs with actual feminist messages and been “called out” by people who feel she’s “harming” the feminist movement.

  76. Jenny Trout says:

    I’m pretty sure you know absolutely dick and shit about me as a person. You don’t know anything about my self image, motivation, or eating habits. You do not know how I feel about eating (heads up, I love food and accept the consequences). Do not patronize me and tell me to “have McDonald’s, but only once in a while!” Do not try to give me weight loss advice when I have asked for none. I am comfortable with myself, healthy at my size, and have never once indicated in this post or the comments that I’m looking for pointers on how to make a life change. No, I cannot prove this to you, but I don’t have to. I do not owe you an explanation or details about my “issues.” You have to take it at face value that I know myself better than you do. You have no power to define me.

    As for it being really important for non-fat people to have their appearance validated, well, you’re right. It’s way more important for people in the middle to have a false sense of empowerment without having to choose their words with more care, rather than in a way that reinforces unhelpful, actively destructive messages.

    If you ever try to offer unsolicited “health” or “diet” advice to another fat person again, I hope they eat you and wash you down with REGULAR Coke.

  77. Ender says:

    No offense, I understand what your article said, but I generally disagree with your statements in this comment. Why are you so outraged about how society acts towards you while it is trying to give advice? It’s not a secret that being overweight is genuinely unhealthy. I find the need to point out that even people who seem to be healthy sizes can be extremely unhealthy, which in my mind is the ultimate issue. Whether you are fat or not (and being so generally is a solid indication) shouldn’t be the issue here. I think celebrities like her would be doing a much better job if they stated their views on weight as being HEALTHY or not. Not by size. The thing I disagree with most on what she has been saying is her (which you are also doing apparently) promotion of unhealthy eating habits – whether you accept your form or not.

    I understand that illnesses are exceptions, and even though genetics are taken as a decent excuse, they sort of aren’t.. You gain weight in the kitchen and strength at the gym. Neither me or the previous poster knows you, that’s understood. I’m assuming if you “love food and accept the consequences,” you accept your weight and image as it is, because of the edible pleasure that comes with. Telling someone you hope they “get eaten by a fat person and washed down with a REGULAR coke” is very childish. It’s wonderful to be comfortable with yourself, and I wish more people were.. but I also wish the world could be healthier and less promoting of fast food companies and monopolies like McDonalds or Nestle.

    I’m not trying to give you advice on weight loss (even though it is closely tied with health). I’m simply trying to address an issue I feel just as strongly about as your issue on self-confidence. I feel you are spreading as much damage as you feel her fans are spreading by saying things like the comment mentioned above. I just don’t understand how so many people indulge in a behavior that is both destructive for oneself as well as for the world – simply for a very brief satisfaction. Perhaps you are a genuinely healthy eater (or you believe yourself to be), but promoting the drinking of any soft drink to spite healthier(?) people giving advice is quite unhelpful to the world.

  78. Jenny Trout says:

    Why am I outraged by a stranger presuming they know more about how I should make my life choices than I do? I don’t know. Why would anybody be offended by that? It’s so simple. Look: “I, a total stranger, know everything I need to about you and your life, in a far deeper, more thorough way than you do yourself, even though I formed this opinion in a few paragraphs of text on the internet. Since you are so helpless to steer your life and habits in the direction I deem acceptable, let me break it down for you Barney style, in the most insulting and condescending way possible, even though you never asked me for my opinion or engaged me, personally, in any way.”

    See that? That’s what you and Anonymous are doing. You are behaving this way to a stranger, in a public forum. And you have the gall to call another person “unhelpful to the world?” Do you ever get lightheaded off the fumes from other people’s second hand embarrassment, or are you so used to others feeling shame on your behalf that it doesn’t even bother you anymore?

  79. Thirded. We could generate enough electricity to power Belgium from the breeze generated by all those nitwits missing the point.

  80. Jenny Trout says:

    Okay, I’m going to answer just like, one of your points, because I’m exhausted by this post. It’s nothing personal against you, I just feel like I’m saying the same things over and over again without being heard, but you posted in good faith, so I do want to address at least your last paragraph.

    The idea that it is divisive and harmful to feminism to critically examine the actions of women who are in the public eye or considered role models is a fallacy most often propped up by proponents of mainstream (now often referred to as “white”) feminism, and generally we see this allegation coming out in defense of the mainstream feminist darling of the moment. For example, when Miley Cyrus treats black women like sexual objects and imitates black culture in the hopes of appearing dangerous or edgy, and women of color object to this, and mainstream/white feminists will argue that those objections are divisive and harmful to feminism. “But Miley is out there, showing that she’s sexually free, and that’s a good message to young girls!” But by dismissing any critical opinion, they’re saying what matters those outside the mainstream isn’t important, but maintaining the good feelings enjoyed by the majority is. And any discussion or dissension among women, no matter the reason, is unsupportive and destructive

    If we’re to apply the “don’t question other women’s actions/words” rule to someone like, off hand here, Michelle Bachman, we’d have to say, “To be feminist, you must never question her anti-woman, anti-choice statements, and accept them as inherently feminist, else risk dividing all women, everywhere.”

    As for the idea that we should consider intent, rather than actual statement, I would suggest checking out the article at this link:

  81. Nicole Bylin says:

    great response, Davey.

  82. Christina A says:

    I truly do not think that anyone is putting her on a pedestal for being “acceptably overweight” – I don’t think anyone thinks she’s overweight at all. I think people are celebrating her (or putting her on a pedestal, if you like) for coming out strong against the overarching message in Hollywood that you have to be a size 0 to be truly successful. But I certainly don’t think anyone looks at her and says “yes, she’s (acceptably) overweight. but no one fatter than her allowed.”

  83. Kylie says:

    I think you might be surprised. I will preface this with I like JLaw. I liked her in Hunger Games I really enjoyed her in American Hustlers which I just saw today, but the fan culture around her is problematic. I understand she is shouting back against Hollywood and that a lot of these remarks are unscripted and off the cuff and maybe not indicative of her entire attitude. However, all of these remarks taken together which I see reblogged one after another on Tumblr and retweeted and such have caused this fan culture to spring up in such a way that she is put on a pedestal for being acceptably ‘a weight which is not overweight but is being treated as such by the fan culture'; to clarify what I said in brief before. This fan culture is thus scripting a dialogue of JLaw as a food lover and acceptable “fatty”, but of course the truth is that she isn’t fat at all and that’s the problem entirely (i.e. the truth that JLaw isn’t fat at all and the fan culture perception that she is breaking all these boundaries by saying she loves food and being perceived as a variety of overweight which is to say not ultra skinny). To say that ‘no one fatter allowed’ doesn’t happen is laughable because just look at the number of celebrities (females especially but it happens to men too like in the case of Brendan Frasier) who get lambasted for weight gain and are often the butt of ugly jokes and media coverage; to name just a few… Oprah, Carrie Fisher, Kirstie Alley, Kim Kardashian’s baby weight has been endlessly discussed recently, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Beyonce,and I’m sure the list could easily keep going. None of these women at their largest would be treated with dignity if they said the same things JLaw said already lambasted they would simply be further lambasted, and so the fan culture that embraces JLaw as fat acceptance when it’s really not is problematic because she is simply reinforcing the message that there are only certain acceptable levels of overweight and she fits into that category when the reality is she isn’t fat at all. It sucks because JLaw herself is falling victim to all these societal pressures going on so power to her for speaking up and trying to say something; however, the fan culture around her construing that as false acceptance is not and only further problematizes what is already a problem.

  84. Kylie says:

    Considering all of your complaints I think you are just looking for something to complain about.

  85. Jenny Trout says:

    You have no idea how much that made me laugh, and I so needed it. I totally imagined you coming in here, looking around like, “Hey guys, what’s OH GOD WHAT IS HAPPENING IN HERE?”

  86. Rachel says:

    What are you talking about?

  87. Elle says:

    Thank you! You’re writing an article about how she’s “the textbook coke bottle figure” and all of this other rubbish… and, whether you noticed it or not, you’re bashing her for having the body she has – how is that fair? You go on a rant about how fat people feel the need to apologize for having to be seen. That’s not her fault, that’s something that person needs to work on. That’s a psychological issue. If you aren’t comfortable in your body, then do something to change that – whether it be therapy or changing your diet (as in, clean eating, etc..). If you are comfortable in your body, then that is all that matters. You’re perception of yourself is what matters… Not what others think about you.

  88. Jenny Trout says:

    Obviously, saying she has a gorgeous body and is the conventional idea of beauty in our culture is somehow shaming and insulting.

  89. Elle says:

    So… just because you think she isn’t fat, it mean she doesn’t have self image issues, right?. Jenny can post her thoughts, but so can the people reading the article. This is the Internet after all.

  90. Jenny Trout says:

    How is it bashing someone to point out they’re gorgeous? I am saying this woman is literally fulfilling the cultural ideal for beauty, and that’s bashing her?

    As for “it doesn’t matter what other people think of you,” come back and have a try with that when you’ve been discriminated against for your weight. When you go in to a store that’s hiring, desperate for employment, only to have the hiring manager tell you that you’re too fat to work in their store because they have to protect their brand. So they don’t even give you an application, and they laugh and talk about you with another employee while you’re walking out. You come back here and you tell me how the fat person in that situation is supposed “work on” that themselves. And even if you do go off and experience something like that and you still tell me that my perception of myself is all that matters, then I’m still going to call that bullshit. No matter how awesome I find myself– and believe me, I think I’m pretty great– that doesn’t matter whether or not I’m allowed, as a fat person, to have a voice on this issue.

  91. Jenny Trout says:

    Unfortunately, thought wasn’t involved in about 80% of the comments posted.

  92. Jenny Trout says:



    I can’t with this post anymore. 80% of you are fucking monsters.

  93. Irina says:

    Hmm… “Ryan”, we already had to read your exceedingly clever comment before, and posting a second take will not make you right.
    Why don’t you go for a dance class or some “self-control” session?


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